You're right, but sometimes it's the DFing of someone close to you that wakes you up.
For me, it was my mom. She was/is a DF'd believer. A while ago I told her the shunning is BS and I won't do it anymore. What did she say? "Sorry son, but it's Jehovah's arrangement!" Poor woman. I so wish I could reach her with TTATT
this is my first post.
however, i have been reading this board for some time (call it stalking or trolling...lol).
so, hello to all.. i have had time to reflect on the agm since yesterday and my thoughts are that indeed the nwt needed much revision.
Welcome! Please stay a while and chat.
some of the scriptures that were removed posed a problem for doctrine. The account of the adulteress poses a problem for the rules on shunning. Jesus wouldn't have shunned anyone like JWs do
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjmg69xmjp8.
this is a documentary from louis theroux on his return visit to westboro baptist chutch - as wacky a bunch as you'll meet.
but not that different, imho, as jdubs.. i never was a dub, but i hope as a human that i can share their pain.. being entirely secular here, it seems to me that some of the young ladies in the film need to experience 'worldly' love,.
How could they do it worse than JWs? My mother won't speak to me because SHE'S DFed and still a believer. Cult conditioning runs deep
i am sure nowhere is perfect but if we want to compare these two countries from different prospectives like racism, job, income/spending, quality of life, standard of living etc.
can you please give me a rough idea by sharing your experiences.. .
by the way, i am considering applying for a masters progrmme in any of the two countries.. .
People talk funny in Australia... Canada is best.
Besides, we have gorgeous scenery, it's safe and peaceful, and we have a solid economy. I wouldn't want to be anywhere else.
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this week the focus of my byzantium studies is the iconophile/iconoclast quarrel, when people could be bashed etc for having the wrong belief.. one of the things i have to do is discuss the arguements used by each side, and i was intrigued (amused) by an argument used by st.john of damascus.. he asks the question: " who first made images?".
what's your answer?.
Well then you should specify... Biblically or historically? Don't assume the bible is an actual account of history.
What is the biblical answer?
i spoke with some one that recommends i step lightly for he said the tower may use there attorneys to attack me recommend to my wife to leave me (spiritual endangerment) and use their attorney's to then help her get complete custody of the kids.
has anyone heard of these guys doing this?
i don't doubt this guy former elder and bethelite and all, just wondering if any one here has experienced this or knows of this happening?
Is your marriage built on more than mutual beliefs? It damn well should be. Are you worth staying with despite differing beliefs? If your marriage is so paper thin that without shared beliefs it's not worth fighting for, then.... It's not worth fighting for. I say that because obviously if you're talking this way you're not very optimistic.
If you're DFed for apostasy and you're very aggressive in your anti-WT stance, then yes she will be reminded that she can leave you, her relationship with jah is more important. If that's not the case, you're just not interested in the religion anymore and are still a good husband, the elders would be stupid to even bring it up with you.
I'm pretty certain that if the elders floated that idea by my wife, she'd lose it on them. You have to get her on your side, bro. Even if she disagrees with you, she needs to be just as interested as you are in your marriage being a success. If not, what's the damn point? Even if your kids are raised by her to be JWs, they are still more likely to turn out to be Atheists.
this is how i imagine it can work: the baptized jw first gets the elders to acknowledge in written form that his previous baptism was in fact null and void.
* then later, coming close to baptism - preferably, the day of rebaptism - he changes his mind about being rebaptized (maybe he says no or remains silent when the questions are being asked, with this being video recorded).
so legally, he never was a legitimately baptized jw and therefore should not be anounced as "bro.
All the elders have to do is claim that by your actions after you were baptized show that you wished to be known as a JW. If they like they can do the same thing they do to unbapped pubs, just say they are no longer recognized as a JW. Same shun gun, different bullets.
despite knowing ttatt recently and trying my very best not to absorb the fds-supplied "knowledge" any further, i could not help but feel inadequate again during today's meeting.
strange, right?
yet, normal.
It's just a social club for most. A social club that beats you down and makes you feel shitty so you'll do more work for free.
Ummm.. No. If I did I would demand from him an explanation for all the shitty things his book says he did and is going to do, and why he refuses to do anything good for anyone ever. If he is real, he's an asshole who needs to be ignored.
so after the annual meeting, on sunday, the elders want to talk with my family.
i do not like this one bit.
perhaps i am being exposed.
It's just a shep call buddy, don't sweat. Just smile and nod, smile and nod. Don't act like there's a problem in the world, don't argue, don't disagree about anything. It will all be over in less than an hour. Afterwards the elders will leave you alone for a while, they can say they've made an effort with you and move on.
